Debatable Delaney
Debatable Delaney
Worst Things to Make Your Entire Personality feat. Alexis Gay
Delaney and New York comedian and podcaster Alexis Gay discuss her path to comedy and draft the top 5 worst things to make your entire personality including Disney World, having a boyfriend, Burning Man, and more!
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Delaney Flanagan (00:00):
Welcome to Debatable Delaney, the show where we debate on feeling not fact. My name's Delaney and my mission is to de-stigmatize, debating and bring laughter back to the art of debate. Today I'm joined by comedian and podcaster, Alexis Gay.
(00:27):
Welcome, Alexis.
Alexis Gay (00:28):
Hi. I'm so happy to be here.
Delaney Flanagan (00:30):
I'm so glad you're here. It's really an honor to be graced with another podcaster's presence.
Alexis Gay (00:36):
<laugh>, yes. What can I say? What can I say? I'm so happy.
Delaney Flanagan (00:40):
So you have a hit podcast, non-technical, A
Alexis Gay (00:43):
Hit podcast, ladies. He's, you were saying the full title Hit podcast, non-technical. That's right. That's right.
Delaney Flanagan (00:50):
It's such a cool concept to interview influential people on everything but their resumes is what it's about. Nailed it. And so now I'm gonna interview about your resume, <laugh>. Yeah.
Alexis Gay (01:01):
Honestly. Great. Somebody should <laugh>
Delaney Flanagan (01:04):
You obviously are from the tech world, or not, maybe not obviously to the listeners.
Alexis Gay (01:09):
<laugh>, you're like, um, based on everything about you, your personality and the way that you dress and how you act. <laugh>, you are from the tech world. <laugh>,
Delaney Flanagan (01:19):
I think, obviously, I guess because of the podcast name. Sure. But, um, do you wanna tell everyone kind of the path that led you to comedy?
Alexis Gay (01:27):
Oh, yes, absolutely. Um, classic career transition, seven years in the tech industry to full-time comedy, <laugh>. Um, we've all been there, right. Folks? <laugh>.
Delaney Flanagan (01:38):
I have <laugh>,
Alexis Gay (01:39):
Actually. <laugh>, you definitely get it. The, the short version of it is that I worked in the tech industry for seven years out of college. I loved it, loved my jobs. Um, I loved most of my jobs in tech. Others were learning opportunities,
Delaney Flanagan (01:54):
<laugh>.
Alexis Gay (01:56):
And during the last few years of my tech career, maybe the last four, I was always doing comedy on the side. Yeah. This is when I was living in San Francisco. I was doing improv comedy, improv led to making YouTube videos, and then I was doing standup comedy, and it was just a thing to do for fun. Yeah. Because growing up I had acted a lot and as an adult working in tech, which is creative in some ways, but not creative in the fun artsy way often. Yeah. I was craving it. And so that brought me to comedy, but I was only doing it for fun. And I was not the kind of person that would sit at my computer doing little pivot tables and be like, I can't wait to break outta here and be a comedian. <laugh>. I was, I loved, especially my last job when I worked at Patreon and I got to do, I, I built the BizOps team there on the go-to-market side, and then I ran the creator partnership team, um, <laugh>, flex <laugh>.
(02:49):
I like heard myself say that sentence and I was like, oh, ew. But I did, I loved that job and I loved, uh, being a manager. I managed a team. I got a lot out it, so it's not like, oh, I wish I had something with meaning in my life. Yeah. Comedy was so much fun. Yeah. And then during the pandemic, when I was unable to do the live performance aspects of comedy, I returned to what had been in some ways, like how I started, which is making these short, short videos. Yeah. Just me. Um, when I first started, it was my phone by then, it was, um, a little more involved in that, you know, editing software and such. And I, it was like a solace during the pandemic or during early days. And, uh, I kept doing it over and over. I had been writing jokes online a bunch. And then outta truly out of nowhere, people started watching them. And I was like, wow. Okay. Hello.
Delaney Flanagan (03:38):
Incredible.
Alexis Gay (03:38):
Yeah. And so I, I kept doing it as, uh, as I kept doing it almost every week as a way to tell myself, get this done, grow, learn from it, make the next one better. Yeah. And then by the end of 2020, I felt like I had by the numbers a large enough following, not necessarily to like, oh, well see you later, suckers. I've got 60,000 followers on Twitter. You know, like, go kick rocks. I was just like, something's here. Yeah. I don't totally know what it is. I would like the time and flexibility to figure it out. So I left my job at the end of 2020 and I've been doing some combination of standup sketch videos and my podcast non-technical, some other side projects since
Delaney Flanagan (04:20):
Then. Amazing. Okay. Well, the reason why we're here today, <laugh>, is we are drafting Yes. The top five worst things to make your entire personality.
Alexis Gay (04:31):
I was born for this,
Delaney Flanagan (04:32):
Which is something I'm extremely passionate about. Yeah, me too. I think millennials are so good at making one thing their entire personality.
Alexis Gay (04:41):
Yeah. It's remarkable. <laugh>. So I'm
Delaney Flanagan (04:42):
Glad we're gonna get to the bottom of it today. Um, we'll both draft a list of five. Yep. And we're competing for who can create the better, less, the strongest. Yeah.
Alexis Gay (04:52):
I think I've got this.
Delaney Flanagan (04:53):
So let's, let's hear your number one pick.
Alexis Gay (04:57):
Wow. Number one. Okay. I think the number one worst thing to make your entire personality is Disney World <laugh>.
Delaney Flanagan (05:08):
That was my second pick. Yeah.
Alexis Gay (05:10):
<laugh>. Just Disney. Your, that's why I had to scoop it. I, it is, I understand liking Disney. Yeah. I under, I feel like I need to look into the camera and be like, I understand liking Disney and its properties, it's films. Yeah. It's theme parks. I, I understand enjoying it, having strong, happy, family memories associated with it. I can't get past the idea that every year for like a week you schlep down to Orlando, Florida to go to the same place.
Delaney Flanagan (05:40):
Yeah. Or God forbid you live close by. That is a
Alexis Gay (05:43):
Level I can't even really discuss
Delaney Flanagan (05:46):
Or you wanna work there
Alexis Gay (05:48):
That Yeah. I also think, I don't like to disparage things that make other people happy. Totally. And so I
Delaney Flanagan (05:54):
But we are about to do that for the next,
Alexis Gay (05:56):
Just for one sec. I really don't like to do it. If, if Disney World makes you happy, live your truth. Thi I'm so glad that you have
Delaney Flanagan (06:03):
That. Totally.
Alexis Gay (06:04):
Um, Disney World weddings.
Delaney Flanagan (06:07):
Oh my God.
Alexis Gay (06:07):
There's just a lot. I c it just, I don't understand. It's for children.
Delaney Flanagan (06:12):
It's okay. That's what it is for me. Like, I think making any movie or TV show your whole personality is bad.
Alexis Gay (06:18):
Yeah. But
Delaney Flanagan (06:19):
To make a children's universe your entire personality. Yeah. Why there's something really creepy.
Alexis Gay (06:24):
There's It is, it is. It's like a Peter Pan and never, never land vibe. Yeah. Of like, not wanting to grow
Delaney Flanagan (06:29):
Up. It's like kind of sad.
Alexis Gay (06:31):
It bums me out. But also if it's making them them happy <laugh>, do you see how I'm not allowing a cut to exist <laugh>, where I am just saying something bad about Disney adults? Because if that's what they enjoy. Well,
Delaney Flanagan (06:47):
And like, to their credit, like if Disney still makes you feel magical, that's awesome. Not many people have something. That's a good point. Will make them feel magical. Yeah. But I just like, I'm, I don't really understand animation either, which I know is a hot take. A lot of a of people
Alexis Gay (07:02):
Love
Delaney Flanagan (07:03):
Animation.
Alexis Gay (07:04):
Do you, are you including Pixar in that?
Delaney Flanagan (07:06):
Yeah. Okay. I like it. But like, I, I just can, I could never go into a series of fandom for something that's so fictional.
Alexis Gay (07:14):
Oh, interesting. Yeah. Okay. That's interesting. What, do you have a favorite animated movie?
Delaney Flanagan (07:20):
Um, I don't know. Maybe like Frozen.
Alexis Gay (07:23):
I don't know. Frozen is really good. Frozen is really good.
Delaney Flanagan (07:26):
Yeah. What's yours?
Alexis Gay (07:28):
I think it's honestly Alice in Wonderland.
Delaney Flanagan (07:31):
Oh my goodness. I haven't seen that in so long. So
Alexis Gay (07:33):
Long. It's worth a rewatch. Okay. It's so good. Aw,
Delaney Flanagan (07:37):
That's cute. <laugh>, you kind of give off Alice Fives.
Alexis Gay (07:40):
Oh, wow. <laugh>
Delaney Flanagan (07:41):
Also Disney Adults. Like being a Disney adult is so expensive. It's
Alexis Gay (07:45):
Very expensive. It's very expensive. Yeah. Because the, to go to the parks is expensive. Yeah. Though there's a lot of hacks. This is the thing about Disney adults, they know all the tricks.
Delaney Flanagan (07:55):
That's true. They're very smart. You get the
Alexis Gay (07:57):
Pass, it's like the magic pass. Yeah. And you, so you can get in the fast lane near the, you know what I mean? Yeah. Like, there's all these different things that you can do and, or, or it's like show, but the park at this time, and then you get in this line. I, I've never wanted a vacation with like, more logistics.
Delaney Flanagan (08:11):
No. Would you go to Disneyland without kids? Yeah.
Alexis Gay (08:16):
I would go, but it would have to be with someone who was really excited to take me there. Okay. Or who felt like they, there was something special about it to them. I'll do most things if it's something that someone I really love or care about is very jazzed about. Yeah. I would never be like a whiny sidekick at Disney World. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. If someone was like, Alexis, I really love this thing. Is there any chance you'd wanna go? I'd be like, if it will really make you happy. Yes. I'd love to see it through your eyes.
Delaney Flanagan (08:46):
Yeah.
Alexis Gay (08:47):
But
Delaney Flanagan (08:47):
That's really nice.
Alexis Gay (08:48):
Well, 'cause it's like, you know, if it makes them that happy, like, I wanna know what's up. Yeah. What am I
Delaney Flanagan (08:52):
Missing? And if you're, what am I missing? Surprised if, like, if I was dating someone and like, I had no idea they loved Disney and then they just mentioned it once of like, oh, I would love to take you to Disneyland. I'd be like, oh yeah. But like, if on the second date they were like, oh, by the way, I love Disney. Yeah. And I go, every year I might, I
Alexis Gay (09:11):
I might break. I'm actually having like an unexpectedly visceral reaction to this scenario that someone I'm dating loves Disney <laugh>. So forget everything I just said about being open-minded. Um, wow. Especially
Delaney Flanagan (09:25):
I know that this is
Alexis Gay (09:26):
Sexist. I know what you're gonna say.
Delaney Flanagan (09:28):
A
Alexis Gay (09:28):
Guy, why is it worse?
Delaney Flanagan (09:30):
Really perverted.
Alexis Gay (09:31):
It really, it's upsetting. <laugh>. I agree. Oh God. <laugh>, I, there's something, it just makes me feel
Delaney Flanagan (09:40):
Weird. Cringey. Yeah.
Alexis Gay (09:41):
I would, I would struggle with it. They'd have to be the perfect person for me in every single other, this would have to be like their baggage. Totally.
Delaney Flanagan (09:49):
I mean, totally. They
Alexis Gay (09:50):
Were like perfect. They were funny and smart and like, we got along famously and then it's like I learned the bombshell that they liked Disney.
Delaney Flanagan (09:57):
Totally.
Alexis Gay (09:58):
And then I rise to the occasion and go to
Delaney Flanagan (10:00):
Magic. Get married there. Magic <laugh>.
Alexis Gay (10:02):
<laugh>.
Delaney Flanagan (10:04):
Okay. Oh my God. No, that's a great number one pick. Thank you. Thank
Alexis Gay (10:07):
You. <laugh>
Delaney Flanagan (10:09):
Nightmare. An individual. I actually don't know any like Disney adults, which is why I feel like I can be open.
Alexis Gay (10:14):
That's fair.
Delaney Flanagan (10:15):
Like what if, what if he was your perfect guy? <laugh>.
Alexis Gay (10:19):
And
Delaney Flanagan (10:20):
He was like, I don't need to like talk about Disney all the time, but like once a year I like to go and like, get all of their autographs.
Alexis Gay (10:28):
<laugh>. Oh my God. Getting the autographs You mean interacting with the characters <laugh>. Yeah. I think that I would th that cannot be someone's only red flag. That's true. That is a, a red flag that you, you move, you peel the flag back and there's 500 other little mini red flags <laugh> hiding behind it. That's never, ever been someone's only red flag.
Delaney Flanagan (10:56):
That would be so creepy.
Alexis Gay (10:58):
I would have so many questions. All right. That's something I learned about myself today.
Delaney Flanagan (11:03):
Interesting. Okay. So if you're a Disney adult, stay away.
Alexis Gay (11:06):
You got I don't think it's gonna Yeah. <laugh>. Unless I'm happy. It makes you happy. I'm so happy. It makes you happy. I
Delaney Flanagan (11:11):
Just, yeah. This whole episode is gonna be yucking people's yums, so Oh, get on board. <laugh>. Um, okay. My number one pick for worst things to make your personality is having a boyfriend <laugh>.
Alexis Gay (11:27):
There's nothing
Delaney Flanagan (11:28):
Worse than someone getting
Alexis Gay (11:30):
A
Delaney Flanagan (11:30):
Boyfriend. And it's all they talk
Alexis Gay (11:32):
About it makes you wonder who they were before. It's crazy. Yeah. They become
Delaney Flanagan (11:36):
This like, honestly like ss n l version of themself where it's like, yeah. It's just, it's crazy to have someone that loves me truly.
Alexis Gay (11:43):
Like it's, I
Delaney Flanagan (11:44):
Become the Kristen Wig from Bridesmaids. Like, oh, you do <laugh>. Oh, he loves you. That's so nice. Like, it's
Alexis Gay (11:50):
Just so annoying. It's really something. Yeah. Uh, do you have people like this? Do you meet people like this regularly?
Delaney Flanagan (11:58):
Yeah, I would say so. I don't, I don't think any of my good friends change drastically when they have a boyfriend, but I find people that I like meet out at the bars or like peripheral friends Yeah. Tend to be more of these characters.
Alexis Gay (12:12):
Yeah. Yeah. I agree. Because I'm, no one like comes to mind as someone in my immediate current life that, uh, has this quality, but I, I so intimately know what you're describing. Yeah.
Delaney Flanagan (12:25):
I have a couple friends where like when they have a boyfriend, I hang out with them a lot less. Or like, when I do hang out with them, the guy always comes, or they kind of start adopting each other's personalities. Oh,
Alexis Gay (12:38):
Wow. That's so interesting. So I think that I have a, I <laugh> I think part of this is, I am just a couple, but very important years older than you. Yeah. In that a lot of my friends are married, and so it's not the, oh, I have a boyfriend. They just like, have husbands <laugh>. But I have to say like, I <laugh> and it's hard to be annoyed about like, oh my God, she like, loves her husband <laugh>. There's something where like, somehow when we are like, that's, oh my God, she's always talking about her boyfriend. You're like, that's annoying. But when it's their husband, you're like, oh, they're, they're staple
Delaney Flanagan (13:11):
<laugh>. Well, I think this is gonna sound sad, but it's also like when someone has a boyfriend, there are things that you don't like about everyone's boyfriends. And so there's also always a chance that they're gonna break up. Yeah. Versus when it's a husband, you can no longer like, talk shit or like think that they're gonna break up.
Alexis Gay (13:27):
Oh, that is very true. Yeah. That's very true. And the other thing that changes is you, I find I am always there for my friends for whatever conversations they wanna have, but my willingness to hear intimate sexual details, <laugh>, oh God. About their life decreases. Once, once. This is it. There's something about it that changes. Totally. You talk about your friend, your friends and your friend's boyfriend's sex life so differently than when they're married.
Delaney Flanagan (13:56):
Totally. Even after meeting someone's boyfriend, I'm like, now it just feels like, like I'm watching porn now when we're now too much.
Alexis Gay (14:03):
I know. Too much. I know. Hi. Yeah. Great to meet you.
Delaney Flanagan (14:06):
Yeah. It's also the worst, like, clearly this pick, I'm just like bitter. But like, when someone's talking about their boyfriend and like how much they're in love and then they're like, how's your dating life <laugh>? It's like, honestly, fuck you.
Alexis Gay (14:20):
That is so funny. That is so funny. Um, yeah. Like, what are you supposed to say to that? Like, oh, well, it's, it's going great. <laugh> still. Are you seeing anybody? No. <laugh>
Delaney Flanagan (14:34):
Focusing on my career, actually. Yeah. I'm just really busy.
Alexis Gay (14:37):
I think also for me, the way that manifests itself the most is people who find reasons to bring them up that are just co in No Universe. Was I asking about your boyfriend?
Delaney Flanagan (14:47):
Totally.
Alexis Gay (14:47):
And he just comes up
Delaney Flanagan (14:49):
Totally how they're monsters.
Alexis Gay (14:52):
Or if you're just new. I think almost when you're newly dating someone, this happens a lot. You know what I mean? Totally. Someone will be like, oh, do you wanna like check out this restaurant? And they'll be like, you know who loves that restaurant? Actually, <laugh>. Um, this guy, I just started dating. It's so funny. We were just talking about it last night on our date <laugh>, this guy that I just started dating. <laugh>, he mentioned it that he walked by there the other day. So <laugh>.
Delaney Flanagan (15:19):
Totally. It's very similar to like, people that watch Seinfeld, that anything that happens in the day, they're like, oh, have you seen the Seinfeld episode? It's like, yes, we've all seen it. <laugh> very relatable show for sure. Yes. Really? I don't know. I just think, um, I'm definitely a bitter person, <laugh> and I don't like hearing about other people's happiness. <laugh>. I
Alexis Gay (15:41):
Does your level of annoyance with people like this change when you have a boyfriend?
Delaney Flanagan (15:47):
Um, <laugh> definitely <laugh>. I dunno why I pretended to think about that. So you're like, like, lemme get
Alexis Gay (15:54):
Introspective.
Delaney Flanagan (15:55):
Really Consider <laugh> 1000%. That's so fun. I'll be this person the next time I have. I
Alexis Gay (16:02):
Hope so. I'm ready. I can't wait. <laugh>, you'd be like, oh my God, I love your shirt. You know? Who else has shirts? <laugh>. Actually, um, I dunno if I told you this guy that I'm dating.
Delaney Flanagan (16:11):
Oh my God. Do you know who also is a Disney adult? My boyfriend <laugh>.
Alexis Gay (16:16):
Imagine. Oh, okay. Hit us with your number two pick. Okay. My number two pick, uh, Delaney top worst things to make your personality, people who go to Burning Man.
Delaney Flanagan (16:27):
Oh my God, that's a great one. Thank
Alexis Gay (16:29):
You.
Delaney Flanagan (16:29):
Burning Man. Wow. Have you ever
Alexis Gay (16:31):
Been? I have not. Have you been? No. Okay. I I'll say this, I would go, yeah, I would, I would go, yeah. I've actually said this on the record before into a microphone that I would go, um, because it just seems like a wild experience. Totally. And it seems pretty non-harmful. Like it would be an interesting time. Yeah. But there, especially in the Bay Area where you and I have both lived, there are people for whom year round Burning Man is their deal. Oh yeah. Even though for listeners who may not have be lucky enough to be intimately familiar with Burning Man, it is once a year. Yeah. It is a once a year. I believe it spans seven days in the desert. Yeah. But people spend all year
Delaney Flanagan (17:15):
Yes. Getting, you start planning the day after
Alexis Gay (17:18):
Planning.
Delaney Flanagan (17:18):
Yes. Yeah. Getting costumes,
Alexis Gay (17:21):
Getting costumes, building
Delaney Flanagan (17:22):
Your, your tent, your, um,
Alexis Gay (17:24):
Your, your camp. There are people do parties with their various camps. Yeah. Making art. That part I think is like, okay, cool. You make art. The art are like,
Delaney Flanagan (17:33):
How long will it take you to order something off of Amazon and get some mushrooms? Yeah. What is the intimate planning that goes on <laugh>?
Alexis Gay (17:40):
I think my problem is that it's just, it's weird to me to base your life around something that happens annually. Yeah. Is that, I think that's really what it is. Yeah. And then obviously there is a whole, there's a lot that goes along with Burning Man that I think has what I'll kindly say has varying degrees of authenticity. Yes. Some of it feels very authentic. Some of it does feel like people who wanna go for an experience that is about cleansing and burning it down and starting fresh and community. And then it seems like some people wanna have something to talk about Right. When they get back to San Francisco.
Delaney Flanagan (18:16):
But even the cleansing thing, like it's giving half of it's giving Coachella and half of it's giving culty vibes.
Alexis Gay (18:23):
Yeah. I think though that people who go to like, take photos I, that I feel is really frowned upon Yeah. By legit burners. Totally. So I do think there is like a, a chasm between those two experiences.
Delaney Flanagan (18:37):
Yeah. I think the reason that I would hate if a person made this their entire personality is like, if I didn't go, then I don't wanna be hearing about something that I wasn't a part of for an entire
Alexis Gay (18:48):
Year. <laugh>. Yeah. Yeah. I think for me it's, it's just that it seeped in, it seeps into every other part of their lives Yeah. In a way that I just like couldn't understand Yeah. Of this thing that happened once a year. But also I'm willing, this is part of the reason I want to go. I'd like to find out what am I missing? Totally. What am I missing? What, what happens? That's the thing about, about most of these
Delaney Flanagan (19:10):
Things, like once you give in and like try Yeah. These things like usually you love it
Alexis Gay (19:16):
With the exception of dating a Disney adult. Right.
Delaney Flanagan (19:19):
That is Well, you've never tried
Alexis Gay (19:20):
It. The lady <laugh>. That's that's a true fact. You, you do have me there, but I can't so far. I'm gonna, I'll keep track as we go along Yeah. Of things I like would and wouldn't do. Yeah. And, uh, so far
Delaney Flanagan (19:33):
I would, would you date someone that had a boyfriend <laugh>?
Alexis Gay (19:37):
Well, uh, it's 2023. <laugh> <laugh>. Um, yeah, I would go to Burning Man before I would date a Disney adult.
Delaney Flanagan (19:46):
Oh. 1000% for sure. I would go to Well, we're both gonna have to pay to go to Burning Man. Yes. Versus we would've to be forced to go to Disney.
Alexis Gay (19:53):
That's right. Okay. In order of these things so far I would go to Burning Man. I would, I would, I would rather be the person that talks about their boyfriend incessantly than date a Disney adult
Delaney Flanagan (20:04):
Than date A Disney adult. Yes. Would you rather be friends with someone that talks about their boyfriend incessantly or talks about Disney
Alexis Gay (20:10):
Boyfriend? Really? Yes. Okay.
Delaney Flanagan (20:13):
Yes. I think I would prefer
Alexis Gay (20:14):
Disney. Yeah.
Delaney Flanagan (20:15):
Really? Yeah. Talking about Disney. If I'm not dating them, then like, you can have your own passions.
Alexis Gay (20:20):
This, you know, what's concerning to me about this topic is that I don't feel like I have friends like this right now. No. And it makes me worry that I am am the friend. I definitely am. Huh. Yeah. That doesn't really sound that familiar. And I'm like, is it my stage of life? And now I'm like, is it me <laugh>? Is it me? Anyway, so
Delaney Flanagan (20:45):
Funny. No, totally
Alexis Gay (20:46):
Concerning My
Delaney Flanagan (20:47):
Next one. Let's hear. It is not me at all.
Alexis Gay (20:49):
Okay.
Delaney Flanagan (20:51):
I hate this type of person. <laugh>. The type of person that makes I'm a bad texter. My God. Their entire personality.
Alexis Gay (20:59):
Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God.
Delaney Flanagan (21:00):
God. This is the worst type of person
Alexis Gay (21:03):
All on our
Delaney Flanagan (21:03):
Phones constantly. Mm-hmm. My God. No one's a bad texter. Sure. They just don't like you that much. <laugh>. And then they're using this catchall excuse of like, at least I'm self-aware. It's like, no.
Alexis Gay (21:16):
Uh, yes.
Delaney Flanagan (21:18):
You're just being an asshole. Are
Alexis Gay (21:20):
You referring to this specifically in romantic settings or all kinds of
Delaney Flanagan (21:23):
People? All kinds of people. Yeah.
Alexis Gay (21:24):
Yeah. Okay. So this is a great one. I do think there is something to the idea that like being self-aware about a thing that is maybe shitty about you does not like, make it not shitty. Totally. Just being aware of it. Um, I, I think I've said this to people that I'm a bad texter or I'll say I'm bad at texting because I'm very inconsistent. Okay. You will either get nine texts instantly after you texted me <laugh>, or I will forget you exist for two weeks. Yeah. Or I'll call you or I'll send you a voice note. It just is, you never know. Yeah. It you truly, it is like pulling a slot machine, reaching out to me.
Delaney Flanagan (22:08):
Texting does need to have an unread button so that you can read a text and then mark it as
Alexis Gay (22:14):
It does now on the iPhone. No
Delaney Flanagan (22:16):
Way.
Alexis Gay (22:17):
I think that
Delaney Flanagan (22:17):
That's so nice.
Alexis Gay (22:19):
Not the most recent iOS update. I think the one before
Delaney Flanagan (22:21):
It show. Oh my God. Show you. That's amazing. Well then everyone needs to start using it <laugh>, because that's the only excuse is like, you open something while you're in the middle of doing something and then you forget to respond. Mm. But I'm not getting like hundreds of texts a day where I completely forget that someone texts me Sometimes. Like, unfortunately, if someone's less important to me, then I'm more easy to forget. Oh, okay. And then forget to respond. Sure. But like, if I want to hang out with someone or whatever the case, I'm going to respond. You know what I mean?
Alexis Gay (22:54):
Okay. I do. I do. And I think that that is in some ways though, an interesting like data point. Yeah. When you I I'll observe who am I excited to respond to? Totally. Who am I excited to make plans with? And then who am I? Like, oh God, I gotta respond to that.
Delaney Flanagan (23:09):
Totally.
Alexis Gay (23:09):
That's like interesting information about how you feel about them. It
Delaney Flanagan (23:12):
Really is. Yes. If someone's a bad texter, they tend to be bad at making plans, bad at taking initiative. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, which becomes really annoying. Sure. I think we're both kind of type A people where we probably me <laugh>
Alexis Gay (23:25):
Delaney. Wow. How dare you. <laugh>.
Delaney Flanagan (23:31):
Where we both like take the reins on like making plans Yeah. Or stuff like that. And if someone's a bad texter, like they can't do the bare minimum of responding, they're not gonna step up to the plate.
Alexis Gay (23:42):
Yeah.
Delaney Flanagan (23:42):
In terms of other aspects of a relationship, I guess the bigger category for this is like, people that use self-awareness as a reason to get out of being a shitty
Alexis Gay (23:53):
Friend. Yeah. Anyone that says something like, I'm just a bad person <laugh>, or I'm just,
Delaney Flanagan (23:58):
I'm just a bad person. I dunno what to tell you.
Alexis Gay (24:00):
It does remind me a little bit of people who, this is also on the, on the romantic side of things, but people who, um, I don't know if you've ever been, uh, if someone's ever said this to you, people who are like, honestly, you're just too good for
Delaney Flanagan (24:13):
Me. Oh my God. Makes me wanna You deserve better. You
Alexis Gay (24:18):
Deserve better. Oh my God. I'm embarrassed that those words have been said to me. But they definitely have.
Delaney Flanagan (24:24):
And I've said those words to other people.
Alexis Gay (24:27):
Really? Yeah. I think, have I said that? I've definitely, well, but I think I did the right thing in this situation. I'm thinking of where I was like, I have been like not good at communicating with you. Yeah. And I don't feel good about how I'm showing up to this. Yeah. And therefore I'm shutting it down. Right. I know I'm being shitty. Yeah. And I'm gonna do something about it. Yeah. Not just like, yeah, I'm shitty. Hey <laugh>. Hey, guess what? I'm shitty. F y I,
Delaney Flanagan (24:56):
I once had a guy, this is like an extreme self-aware <laugh>, but I once had a guy told me that he was a narcissist <laugh>. And then in my mind I was like, he doesn't know what a narcissist is. <laugh>
Alexis Gay (25:10):
<laugh>. He thought it was like an astrological sign. Oh, you're a Capricorn. I'm a narcissist. I
Delaney Flanagan (25:15):
Thought he meant like that he liked himself. Oh God. Oh. I was like, oh, that's not what it means. Like it actually means that like you don't care about other people's emotions. And he was like, I stand by what I said. <laugh>.
Alexis Gay (25:25):
Oh my God. Okay.
Delaney Flanagan (25:26):
Self-aware
Alexis Gay (25:27):
King <laugh>. Yeah. And how many times did you go out with him after that? <laugh>.
Delaney Flanagan (25:32):
He must be really deep into therapy to really understand himself like that.
Alexis Gay (25:35):
Yeah. I do. I do love when people have clearly been in a lot of therapy and then they can like really clearly articulate <laugh> Yeah. To you what they're doing. You're like, oh, cool. You,
Delaney Flanagan (25:45):
Or they're like too far into it where like I'll just disagree with them. They'll be like, are you gaslighting me? It's like, oh my gosh, whatcha talking about? Um, okay. Hit us with your number three.
Alexis Gay (25:55):
Okay. Number three pick is Oh, okay. Uh, people, this is a, this is a niche one. Okay. But I'm gonna defend it. Okay. People who in this, the year 2023 are using a flip phone.
Delaney Flanagan (26:12):
Oh, interesting. Yeah. This is way bigger in terms of just like people that refuse to do the popular thing.
Alexis Gay (26:19):
Yes. Yeah. Yes. Do you have anyone in your life with a flip phone?
Delaney Flanagan (26:22):
I don't think
Alexis Gay (26:23):
So. Okay. Let me tell you what happened to me recently. Okay. I live in Brooklyn. I was at
Delaney Flanagan (26:29):
A, that's a flip phone capital of the world. I'm
Alexis Gay (26:32):
Sorry. Yes. Lemme be very clear. <laugh>. So I live in Brooklyn. That's important context because of what we're talking about. And I was at a, uh, vintage store in Park Slope. Again, we're just setting the scene. <laugh>. I was getting a purse for a wedding. So as you know, as someone who's had to attend weddings, you your purse, it's a tough thing 'cause you don't wanna bring like a big honking Right. To quote succession ludicrously capacious bag to a nice wedding. But you also can't have such a teen tiny little clutch that like your lipstick isn't gonna fit with your phone. Right. Um, unless you have the boyfriend privilege of a suit jacket, which is a whole other thing.
Delaney Flanagan (27:09):
Don't get me started
Alexis Gay (27:10):
<laugh>. I did have someone at this wedding be like, oh yeah, 'cause you need a purse. And I was like, stop. Yeah. Yeah, I do. You
Delaney Flanagan (27:19):
Don't have a boyfriend. She
Alexis Gay (27:20):
Didn't mean it like that. You don't have someone that loves you. I know. That is, that's great. I know, I know. I know. She definitely meant it. And like, oh, of course. You know, like in an, I didn't even
Delaney Flanagan (27:28):
Think about that. Yeah.
Alexis Gay (27:29):
Yeah. Oh my God. I never have to carry that. I never to think about that. That's because my big tall boyfriend and his huge suit pockets with my, my really hard for you. Oh my God. Your
Delaney Flanagan (27:38):
Muscles are so big. My is that from
Alexis Gay (27:40):
Carrying your purse? So brave of you to show up here with that purse. So anyway, I'm at the, I'm at the vintage store looking for the right size purse for my phone for this wedding that still to look nice, you know? Yeah. And so I take the purse. It's lovely. I think this is gonna be great with my dress. I put my phone in it to say, to check and see does it fit, it fits perfectly. I clasp it, I open it, I take my phone out the saleswoman sees me open the bag and like darts around the corner and makes eyes at me. And she, she sees me put my phone in it and she goes, yeah, I was gonna say if it didn't fit you could just leave your phone at home.
Delaney Flanagan (28:20):
<laugh>.
Alexis Gay (28:22):
And I was like, oh, I actually am. I, this is for wedding and I wanna be able to take some photos. But otherwise, yeah. I love like turning my phone off, you know, being without it sometimes. And she said, yeah, I have a flip phone. I was like,
Delaney Flanagan (28:37):
Stop.
Alexis Gay (28:38):
Oh, okay. I was, I've never seen somebody work so hard to wedge into the conversation that they had a flip phone.
Delaney Flanagan (28:46):
Totally.
Alexis Gay (28:48):
She came, she traveled across the store to find a way to tell me this. I did not ask. Yeah. I did not ask What kind of phone do you have? Yeah. How big is your phone?
Delaney Flanagan (28:58):
Totally. Oh my god. These people are holier than thou. I had a similar one on my list of the person that doesn't have social media.
Alexis Gay (29:05):
Oh my God. That's such a good one. That's 'cause it's like, yes, yes, yes, yes. It
Delaney Flanagan (29:08):
Should make them a better person, I guess <laugh>. But they do not let you forget about it. You'll take one picture and they'll be like, can we just be present? It's like, I could have taken five pictures in the time it took you to say that. That's so
Alexis Gay (29:20):
Funny. Has someone said that to you? Can we just be present?
Delaney Flanagan (29:23):
Obviously?
Alexis Gay (29:23):
Yeah. Oh no.
Delaney Flanagan (29:25):
And I don't take many photos. <laugh>.
Alexis Gay (29:28):
I do this annoying thing, um, where I, so I read a study that said that your phone being on the table, even if it's face down, keeps your conversations in a more shallow
Delaney Flanagan (29:39):
Place. Interesting.
Alexis Gay (29:40):
And believe it because I feel the way that I'm affected when I can see my phone. Yeah. When I'm near it. I like, if I have to focus on something, especially creative, I put it way away. Interesting. I don't even wanna look at it. It's, i I turn it off or I put it on extreme do not disturb mode, whatever. Yeah. And so I believe this study that says your conversations are kept at a more surface level when it's around. Yeah. It also sends this implicit signal to the person you're with. Whatever's on my phone is like more important than our conversation. Yeah. And so I'm sorry for this to be my second like life altering bombshell on the same, uh, podcast episode. But so I'm like, I I will say, say
Delaney Flanagan (30:15):
To my, so maybe you should get a flip phone. <laugh>.
Alexis Gay (30:18):
This is actually just a long-winded way of telling you I have a flip phone. <laugh>. No, but I will, I asked my friend at dinner the other night, I was like, Hey, I read this study that they, that it's not, that our conversations will stay like more shallow if the phones are, would you mind if we put our phones in our bags? And I, and he agreed. He acquiesced to my demand. But I felt so bad asking. Yeah. But I was, it was nice not having it. Yeah. So I'll do that. I think that's lovely. I've never said, can we just be present? Have I said that? It sounds like something I would say
Delaney Flanagan (30:49):
If you say, if you make a request to someone to do anything, I think that's totally valid and fair. Yeah. It's the high horse that a lot of these people start on of like, oh, I don't have social media. So I think the least you could do is my God, just put away that silly little phone. It's like relax. Yeah.
Alexis Gay (31:10):
It's, that's big. Like controlling someone else's life. Yeah. Energy.
Delaney Flanagan (31:14):
And it's more just like, you know when people do sober January and like, oh my God, it's all they'll talk
Alexis Gay (31:19):
About. Oh my god. Yes. I, my birthday is in January <laugh> and so I hear a lot about dry January and I hate it. Not only because, and I don't care, I don't, I like don't drink that much. Yeah. I don't care how much you drink or whatever. Like, but I just don't understand why it's such a production. Totally. Just don't drink or do drink. I don't care either way. Right. I
Delaney Flanagan (31:41):
Don't wanna hear about it. You don't have to say anything. Yeah. Do it. Just ref. Just don't drink.
Alexis Gay (31:45):
Just don't drink.
Delaney Flanagan (31:46):
And that's similar to the people without social media where it's like clearly so hard for them that they need to constantly be talking about it. To talk themself into why it's a good idea.
Alexis Gay (31:56):
Yes. Yeah. Oh, I actually don't have social, I don't have Instagram. Yeah. You're Oh okay. That's nice. <laugh>.
Delaney Flanagan (32:01):
Yeah. It's this crazy. I just, I like being off the grid. I like being mysterious. Yeah. I watch the social dilemma and it like tells you all of the reasons that social media is horrible. Oh, okay. And so I deleted Instagram and TikTok. Wow. It
Alexis Gay (32:14):
Had a big impact on you. Yes. You fully. Wow.
Delaney Flanagan (32:16):
Okay. I deleted them at like 8:00 PM went to bed, woke up the next morning and I needed to take a shit. Okay. And I was like, I can't do that without scrolling. Instagram
Alexis Gay (32:30):
<laugh>. That is what got you back on social
Delaney Flanagan (32:31):
Media. It's like downloaded them both back. And then I got a Twitter because if it's that addicting, it must be good. Oh my God.
Alexis Gay (32:41):
Wow. If it's that addicting, it must be good. I hope no one ever offers you drugs. <laugh>.
Delaney Flanagan (32:50):
I had like never really experienced Twitter and the documentary talks so much about it. I was like, that sounds electric.
Alexis Gay (32:55):
Oh my God. You're the kid who went to Dare and then tried Pot <laugh>. You're like, they're making it sound like it's for cool kids. <laugh>. I'm gonna do drugs now.
Delaney Flanagan (33:05):
<laugh>. Totally <laugh>. Yeah. <laugh>. So I can relate to the people that don't have social media because I was with you for a time.
Alexis Gay (33:15):
Yeah. That illustrious.
Delaney Flanagan (33:17):
Eight hours. Eight hours.
Alexis Gay (33:18):
<laugh>. <laugh>. Seven of which you were asleep. Yeah.
Delaney Flanagan (33:20):
Yeah.
Alexis Gay (33:21):
Yeah. It's tough. Pretty
Delaney Flanagan (33:22):
Good. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Good pick. Thank you. Although I think you convinced yourself that you should get a flip phone for my third pick. I'm gonna go with someone that makes being a girl boss, entire
Alexis Gay (33:32):
Person. God. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God.
Delaney Flanagan (33:36):
It's just, it's somehow both feminist and misogynistic. Yeah. Like it's just so cringey and like obviously we shouldn't have to say girl in front of boss. Right. But the idea of a girl boss just reminds me of like live laugh, love, like toxic.
Alexis Gay (33:54):
Right. Reminds
Delaney Flanagan (33:55):
Everything's fine.
Alexis Gay (33:57):
Like target, like there's a target aisle with a mug that's says girl boss.
Delaney Flanagan (34:00):
Yeah. It's just like so chuggy to use that word.
Alexis Gay (34:03):
Oh, Chuggy. Yes. Were you in the working world in 2014? No. Okay. So you really missed peak girl boss era. I did <laugh>. Are you aware of this? You think whatever's happening now is bad? You have no idea. Because at least now there are people that realize that girl boss is a redundant phrase. Yeah. But in 2014 this was just how people talk. Yeah.
Delaney Flanagan (34:29):
Hashtag girl boss.
Alexis Gay (34:30):
Hashtag girl boss. Um, I think it started with good intentions
Delaney Flanagan (34:35):
1000%.
Alexis Gay (34:36):
But we moved past it as a society. Yeah. That's my hope. I feel that way. That we moved past it.
Delaney Flanagan (34:41):
All of these things are like starting with good intentions. It's just the more you talk about something, it just becomes more and more annoying.
Alexis Gay (34:52):
I, well I think that this is the crux of the, the, the issue behind this whole episode, which is when one thing is your whole personality Totally. Even if it is intrinsically has some good qualities to it. Like using a flip phone. That might be someone that wants to be off their phone more. Or like having a boyfriend. Maybe it's like a fulfilling relationship. Yes, it is. When it subsumes everything
Delaney Flanagan (35:13):
Else and it's when you make it other people's business. Yes. And this one is like just basically just you bragging.
Alexis Gay (35:19):
Yeah. <laugh>.
Delaney Flanagan (35:21):
Yes.
Alexis Gay (35:22):
Yes. It really is.
Delaney Flanagan (35:25):
And it's kind of like putting down other women because it's like, oh you're still, you still have a boss. Like, oh, I was able, even with all of the challenges that women have, I was actually able to become my own boss. <laugh>, you should try it sometime. It's really fun. <laugh>.
Alexis Gay (35:40):
Yeah, it is definitely also, okay, this is my issue with the girl boss rhetoric in general is to, to make it such an ordeal that a woman can do X, Y, Z. To me, I'm always like, I wasn't doubting a woman could do
Delaney Flanagan (35:54):
That. Totally.
Alexis Gay (35:55):
Why are we, why is that a question? Of course a woman could be a boss or close a big round of funding or Yeah. Complete a major deal or whatever. Deliver a killer presentation. Hashtag girl boss. It's like, no, I thought you could do it
Delaney Flanagan (36:10):
Before. Totally. You know? Yeah. Yeah. I just think it's very like toxic. Gaslighting. Chuy.
Alexis Gay (36:20):
Wow. Toxic gaslighting. <laugh>, chuy. Do you have any, just some words that I picked up during the pandemic. Yeah, I was gonna say, I dunno
Delaney Flanagan (36:28):
If you guys have heard
Alexis Gay (36:29):
Of this conversation, that conversation that's sentence would be indecipherable in the year 2019. <laugh> who invented Chuge? I don't know, but okay. I actually have thoughts on Chuge. Okay. It's kind of, these are thoughts similar to the ones that I used to have on the term basic. Okay. Okay. I, this is a hot take. I think. I don't like the term basic or chuy uhhuh <affirmative> because I do think it overwhelmingly puts people down for liking stuff.
Delaney Flanagan (36:58):
Yeah. Well I think it just puts people down from like for liking things that the trend has passed.
Alexis Gay (37:04):
Exactly.
Delaney Flanagan (37:05):
Like everyone was kind of on board with like live, laugh, love. Yeah. In middle school.
Alexis Gay (37:10):
Yeah.
Delaney Flanagan (37:11):
But now it's chuy because like that trend has passed. So I think it's, yeah, I think you're right that it's silly to put down things that like we all once loved like statement necklaces. Yeah. We all used to wear.
Alexis Gay (37:21):
Absolutely.
Delaney Flanagan (37:22):
And like so people aren't throwing them away. You're gonna be mad at them.
Alexis Gay (37:26):
Exactly. That's my problem with it. I think this probably, were you popular in school? Middle school?
Delaney Flanagan (37:32):
Kind of. Yeah. I wasn't like really popular but
Alexis Gay (37:36):
Okay. But so as someone that was not popular, I really think this is one of the, the like lasting impact of someone who was like not cool. Yeah. In the school environment, being young, is that like the idea that someone else gets to like decide what's cool? Totally. And then impose it on other people? I am like F that. Yeah. We are adults. If you wanna get a pumpkin spice latte and you wanna pose about it and that makes you happy and you wanna wear totally a big old bright pink necklace from Target next to the mug that says Girl boss. I'm like, live your
Delaney Flanagan (38:10):
Life. Totally
Alexis Gay (38:11):
Be be your own. I am. I am girl boss. Hear me roar. Do whatever you want. Yeah. I don't have to do it. Yeah. But anyway, so I think words like that, like I get, I feel, 'cause I'm like, who decides?
Delaney Flanagan (38:23):
I think that's really a smart take. And like also goes to show just consumerism is trying to make words like this catch on as well. Just so that like you're constantly buying the next thing so that you're not chuy or basic or whatever society deems as like not the thing.
Alexis Gay (38:43):
And using words like that. I also think it's a way, it's an identity thing. Yeah. If you are putting other people down as basic or chuy, what you're actually doing is saying, I am not those things. Right. Because No, no, no. Look, this other person is those things. Yeah. I'm not. I'm cool. Yeah. I'm interesting. Yeah. Oh, what an interesting one of a kind personality to put other people down. Yeah. You know what I mean? I
Delaney Flanagan (39:06):
Like the word shoghi.
Alexis Gay (39:08):
I do love the word 'cause
Delaney Flanagan (39:09):
It's so
Alexis Gay (39:09):
Funny. It's so fun to say. And
Delaney Flanagan (39:11):
It like basic also doesn't seem that negative to me.
Alexis Gay (39:13):
Yeah, that's true. Used. So I think it used to though
Delaney Flanagan (39:15):
Like a funny way. Like I have chuy things or like I, I'm incredibly basic as a person. Like you think that I look like everyone else in the West Village. Like seriously. So I guess I don't have as big of a problem with it, but I totally, uh, understand that opinion. Yeah. And I think that it is stupid like to have a different sense of style or personality than someone and categorize them all as like this one word.
Alexis Gay (39:42):
Yeah. Especially because a lot of the people I think that write things off as basic or chuy are just following different trends.
Delaney Flanagan (39:50):
Totally. They're not original.
Alexis Gay (39:52):
Yeah. Yeah. Oh, you're wearing a bucket hat. Yeah. Oh my God. You're the only one.
Delaney Flanagan (39:57):
Totally.
Alexis Gay (39:58):
Of course not. Yeah. It's just that that's what your group decided was
Delaney Flanagan (40:01):
Cool and throwing out like 60 pounds of unused fashion items every year. Crazy.
Alexis Gay (40:08):
Right. Wow. We are activists. <laugh>. You know, <laugh>, my
Delaney Flanagan (40:13):
Entire list is just things that I'm bitter about.
Alexis Gay (40:15):
That's right. <laugh>. I don't
Delaney Flanagan (40:16):
Have a boyfriend. I'm not a girl boss.
Alexis Gay (40:19):
No one's texting
Delaney Flanagan (40:20):
Me. <laugh>.
Alexis Gay (40:23):
This is a funny Rorschach test. Actually. I don't know what it says about, I don't know what mine say about me <laugh>. We'll have to figure that out.
Delaney Flanagan (40:31):
Okay. Hit us with your number
Alexis Gay (40:32):
Four. I'm so excited to hit you with my number four. Uh, this is related, this is people who make traveling a lot for work, their entire personality. Okay. There are types of people, there's a type of person who is constantly traveling for work. Yeah. And they act like it is the largest burden any single human has ever had to bear. Yeah. And yet they do nothing to change their situation.
Delaney Flanagan (41:00):
Right.
Alexis Gay (41:01):
It is like, oh, I can't gonna be traveling for work. Oh yeah. Sorry. God, I'm on a plane again. Or they'll be like, oh, I've been on a plane like four times this month. Yeah. I'm just like, I get That's okay. I'm s I like, I don't know what to do with that.
Delaney Flanagan (41:14):
And then you have to like start convincing them of all the good things. Like, oh, how nice that like you don't have to pay for any groceries. Yeah.
Alexis Gay (41:20):
<laugh>. And I'm like, okay, well it just, is this like, I think it's because the tone with which this has always been expressed to me is like such a put upon nature. Yeah. Like, oh, I'm on a, I did the math and like, I am only gonna be home in New York like eight days this month. And I'm like, okay.
Delaney Flanagan (41:39):
Yeah. The problem with this type of person is like a bigger problem of, it's a person that likes to complain without having any solutions.
Alexis Gay (41:48):
Yes. I agree. Oh my God, that makes me
Delaney Flanagan (41:50):
Crazy. It makes me crazy. And if it's something like work where like they're not gonna make any changes, then you know you're gonna be hearing about it for the rest of their life. If they don't their
Alexis Gay (42:00):
Job. This was almost a pick of mine. I almost picked people who hate their jobs. Yeah. And they make hating their job their whole deal. Yeah. They don't leave the job.
Delaney Flanagan (42:10):
No. Well and kind of going off of your podcast, like work tends to be the least interesting thing about a person. Yeah. And so if you're constantly just talking to your friends about how much they hate their jobs, then it's like, just mind numbingly boring.
Alexis Gay (42:24):
It does get boring. I find a lot of small talk boring these days. Totally. I, it's just what are we doing? Yeah. I wanna talk about real stuff.
Delaney Flanagan (42:33):
What's your most controversial take?
Alexis Gay (42:36):
<laugh>. <laugh>. That's a good one. Have
Delaney Flanagan (42:40):
You ever said something that would've gotten you canceled? <laugh>. That's
Alexis Gay (42:43):
Funny. Have you ever asked somebody that? No. That'd be a fun question to ask.
Delaney Flanagan (42:47):
Yeah. In a non-recorded setting.
Alexis Gay (42:49):
<laugh> in a non rerecorded that is very important. <laugh>. That's right.
Delaney Flanagan (42:53):
Okay. For my fourth, I'm gonna go with the indie music lover.
Alexis Gay (42:58):
<laugh>.
Delaney Flanagan (42:59):
These people are just like so proud. Yes. That they don't like popular music. Yeah. And I don't mind if you like have your own taste in music. I think it's great. But like if you're on the ox and these people always <laugh> just demand to be on the ox. Like play songs that we're all gonna know.
Alexis Gay (43:16):
Yeah.
Delaney Flanagan (43:17):
Like that's the stupidest thing to think that we're all at a party and we're all just gonna like be like, oh my God, I've never heard this song. It's amazing. I'll pull out Shazam.
Alexis Gay (43:26):
Yeah. Truly. Like, wow. Do you work for Pitchfork? Oh my god. Yeah. No one caress. No. No one cares. I think that the indie people, I think it depends for me whether they also put down popular music. Yeah. Like if you really like new music and you're always finding new stuff and you wanna save me the hard work and share that with me. Yeah. I'm into
Delaney Flanagan (43:49):
That. Totally.
Alexis Gay (43:51):
But if you're gonna make fun of me for liking Taylor Swift and then you're gonna like some band that's not good. That I've never heard of. No.
Delaney Flanagan (43:57):
Yeah. No. If you're just like doing the Lord's Worth privately. Yeah. And then sharing Spotify playlists. That's right. That's an amazing type of person.
Alexis Gay (44:06):
Yeah. If you're somebody out there doing that, send me the playlist. Totally. I want it. Totally.
Delaney Flanagan (44:11):
You should get paid for
Alexis Gay (44:11):
That. I think that is a job at Spotify.
Delaney Flanagan (44:14):
There should be like only fans for podcasts. Oh my God. Or for Spotify playlists.
Alexis Gay (44:19):
I would, I would subscribe. Yeah. No joke. I would absolutely subscribe for that. That's such a good idea. Did you just invent a company?
Delaney Flanagan (44:25):
I did.
Alexis Gay (44:26):
You are girl bossing so hard right now. <laugh>.
Delaney Flanagan (44:29):
But I guess Spotify wouldn't want that because of their new a I dj. Yeah. Have you been listening to
Alexis Gay (44:35):
That? Some of them are good.
Delaney Flanagan (44:37):
Oh my god, mine is so bad. Really? If you listened to my a I dj, you would think I was like a crazy person.
Alexis Gay (44:44):
Really. Like it's just all over the place genre wise.
Delaney Flanagan (44:47):
Like I would say every 15 minutes it plays me Christian music,
Alexis Gay (44:51):
<laugh>, which
Delaney Flanagan (44:51):
I have never listened to.
Alexis Gay (44:52):
Oh, okay. I've only run it on a playlist that I made. Okay. And so then I used it to put more songs in.
Delaney Flanagan (44:59):
Oh my god, that sounds great. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. I do like the actual DJ function where it'll be like, Hey Elany, my name's X.
Alexis Gay (45:07):
Oh my God. No, I have not done that. That's scary.
Delaney Flanagan (45:10):
And like, I do listen to a lot of like sad music. Really like calm, chill music. Sad and sad. It'll be like not super sad. Like JP Sax and
Alexis Gay (45:20):
I don't know who that is.
Delaney Flanagan (45:21):
It's just like very like unrequited love songs. <laugh>
Alexis Gay (45:26):
Is just something I'm going through. <laugh>. Yes.
Delaney Flanagan (45:28):
<laugh>. But my DJ will be like, it's time for a vibe. And that vibe is sad and lonely.
Alexis Gay (45:35):
Oh my God. That is like the time that I logged onto Spotify. And Spotify was like, based on your recent listening, we suggest this place playlist. It's called Devastating <laugh>. And I was like, what?
Delaney Flanagan (45:50):
It's crazy.
Alexis Gay (45:51):
Yes.
Delaney Flanagan (45:51):
They should be doing like, based on your playlist, we think you'd like better help <laugh>.
Alexis Gay (45:56):
Yeah. Literally based on your playlist, we think you'd like Lexapro.
Delaney Flanagan (46:02):
It's crazy.
Alexis Gay (46:03):
Yeah. Okay. Hit us with your final pick. Oh man, it's so hard to, pressure's on the pressure really is on my fifth and final pick is, uh, is an interesting one given who, who I am and how I move through this world. But I, it really drives me crazy when people make their entire personality that they hate sports and think it's dumb. Okay. Because I don't really like sports <laugh>. Yeah. But I've, I don't feel the need to constantly be telling everybody all the time. Right. Or if it's on, I'm not gonna be like, Ugh, what's even happening right now. Yeah. Like, I can't believe you guys like this. Or
Delaney Flanagan (46:45):
Like, I love the color of their costumes. Yeah.
Alexis Gay (46:48):
Like
Delaney Flanagan (46:48):
Grow up
Alexis Gay (46:49):
Truly. Or people who call it sports ball.
Delaney Flanagan (46:52):
Stop
Alexis Gay (46:52):
Delaney I
Delaney Flanagan (46:54):
Or say Go
Alexis Gay (46:54):
Sports. Go sports <laugh>. That's up there for me with We did the thing <laugh>. Yeah. I just don't understand. Like, let people enjoy things
Delaney Flanagan (47:04):
And like those type of people enjoy things that everyone else hates.
Alexis Gay (47:08):
Hates as well. It's just theater kids. Yeah. It's just, and that's a group that I am in some ways a part of. So I feel that I can say that. But it's like if you treat the Tonys like the Super Bowl. Yeah. You are just as bad as the people who get amped up about sports. And I
Delaney Flanagan (47:23):
Think my problem is more like that people think that the joke is gonna kill.
Alexis Gay (47:27):
Oh my God. Like they're gonna say
Delaney Flanagan (47:28):
Go go sports and then everyone's gonna die laughing.
Alexis Gay (47:31):
Yeah. Absolutely. That's such a good point because it's not, it's just annoying. Yeah.
Delaney Flanagan (47:37):
And it's the most unoriginal
Alexis Gay (47:38):
Jokes that's ever, it's so unoriginal. And I think also the implication is I'm too smart for sports. Yeah. I'm smart and you're dumb. But I am gonna say it in a way that you won't understand. Yeah. Because you're so dumb. <laugh>. It's crazy. There are smart people who like sports. Yeah. There are dumb people who like musicals.
Delaney Flanagan (47:56):
That's such a silly thing to hate too, because it's like so many people's biggest dreams Truly and such a huge accomplishment to be able to
Alexis Gay (48:05):
Absolutely.
Delaney Flanagan (48:06):
Play professional
Alexis Gay (48:07):
Sports. Yeah. Don't get me wrong, I have issues with like certain things about the N F L, uh, but I
Delaney Flanagan (48:13):
Amed not, I stand by everything. Yeah.
Alexis Gay (48:15):
Sorry. I was gonna say, you famously stand by everything that every N F L player has ever said and done. So I don't mean to offend you. Um, I'm like, I get stressed out about like the concussions also. Yeah. I, that stresses me out for like, you know, younger kids and stuff. Um, so I'm not like going to bat for sports, pun intended, but I am just like, let people enjoy things. Like it's okay.
Delaney Flanagan (48:36):
I also equally hate the people though, just to like defend, defend people that don't love sports. Yeah. I also hate the guys where you'll like, be trying to watch the game and like have a good time and you'll say one thing and they'll be like, oh, can you name three tight ends in the
Alexis Gay (48:55):
Delaney? Who are you hanging out with <laugh>? Or like, if someone said that I, I can't even imagine what my reaction would be if, if if somebody had the audacity to say that to me. <laugh>, that
Delaney Flanagan (49:08):
Actually has happened to me. Not that specific instance, but like, I'll mention one thing I know about sports and then they'll be like, oh, do you follow this? And I'm like, kind of, and then they'll start quizzing me.
Alexis Gay (49:18):
That is horrifying. Yeah.
Delaney Flanagan (49:21):
It's the same type of guy where you'll wear like an Eagles t-shirt and he'll like, ask you your top three favorite Eagles songs. It's like, relax, I just liked the shirt. Is that a crime? Okay. So for my fifth pick of, um, worst things to make your entire personality, I'm gonna go with having a food allergy.
Alexis Gay (49:41):
Wow. <laugh> <laugh>. Do you have a food allergy? No. Okay. <laugh>.
Delaney Flanagan (49:47):
I like don't eat much dairy. Okay. So like, I can joke about this knowing that I fully do annoying things like this as well. Got it. Like I'm the type of person that will order a latte with almond milk and then get ice cream later that day. Sure. So I get like, it's trendy. Like I get that dairy can make you feel bad, but again, it's similar to the dry January thing of just like, just don't eat the food that you don't wanna eat. Yeah. You don't have to make it anyone else's business.
Alexis Gay (50:14):
Yes. Totally. I think I, if I'm ever gonna ask if something is in a food, I, I do feel like I have to preface it. I'll say, I'm so sorry. This is the most unlikeable thing about me, but would you mind telling me what's in dah dah? Yeah. I really feel the pressure. I feel like it's a very unlikeable quality.
Delaney Flanagan (50:35):
Do you, what are your food allergies?
Alexis Gay (50:37):
Oh, there, it's, there's a bunch. Whatever. But it's like a,
Delaney Flanagan (50:40):
Okay, so I guess I misspoke. It's not a food allergy, it's like a food, um, what's the word people use?
Alexis Gay (50:49):
Intolerance.
Delaney Flanagan (50:50):
Intolerance
Alexis Gay (50:50):
Aversion.
Delaney Flanagan (50:51):
Yeah. Or like now people are just basically using preferences. Sure. Uh, and then they're saying it's an allergy. Sure. The most extreme example is if you're friends with someone that's vegan. Mm. And it's just impossible to first of all choose a restaurant and then they wanna do family style. And it's like, well, we can't order any of the stuff I wanted. Yeah. But since you have so many restrictions, we're just gonna order everything you want. And then it's like talking about how much better
Alexis Gay (51:19):
They feel
Delaney Flanagan (51:20):
Now that they're vegan and how you should become a vegan as well. Yes. It just becomes such a big part of their life and therefore your life.
Alexis Gay (51:28):
There is something about veganism in particular that for some reason it has that similar holier than thou feeling to it. Totally. Even though I know ve some vegans who are not like that, so they really break the mold. Yeah.
Delaney Flanagan (51:43):
You know? Totally. But
Alexis Gay (51:44):
I, it, for some reason it has that feeling to it. Yeah. I don't know why that is.
Delaney Flanagan (51:48):
Being a vegan is so inconvenient
Alexis Gay (51:52):
As Yeah. Oh, absolutely.
Delaney Flanagan (51:54):
And so I, I actually think that being, being a vegan is great and like has so many health benefits and environmental benefits. But as a friend of someone who's vegan, it is really challenging. <laugh>
Alexis Gay (52:07):
<laugh>.
Delaney Flanagan (52:07):
No one talks about that. Yeah.
Alexis Gay (52:09):
We heard it information. There should be a support group for people who are best friends with someone who's vegan. I'm trying to think about the vegans in my life. And my one friend who's vegan. I like, don't even notice it.
Delaney Flanagan (52:25):
Yeah, that's great. That's a great person
Alexis Gay (52:28):
I think. I think. But I think I have the best one. Yeah, you must. I think I'm friends with the best vegan. I
Delaney Flanagan (52:33):
Think you like,
Alexis Gay (52:33):
I think if you lined up all the vegans, I think she's coming out on top. Yeah.
Delaney Flanagan (52:38):
Okay. So those were our top five. Woo. Um, did you have any like, um, honorable mentions?
Alexis Gay (52:45):
Honorable mentions? Uh, yes. People who make being an introvert their entire personality. Totally. I had an honorable mention for me. I of course have friends who are introverts though, so I was scared to talk about that. Too much <laugh>. Um, people who quote, I don't really follow politics. That's kind of a whole, uh, area of person. Yeah. People who are really passionate cyclists in major cities, they're like bike people.
Delaney Flanagan (53:08):
Wow. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, that's really niche.
Alexis Gay (53:11):
Yes.
Delaney Flanagan (53:12):
<laugh>,
Alexis Gay (53:13):
Full sentence. Um, yeah. Those are my, oh, and then I, we talked about people who like don't really use social media or don't, aren't don't engage with a popular thing. Yeah. This is a really niche one. People who've never seen game of thrones. Okay. And they make it their deal. Yeah. And then those people eventually watch it. They're like, it was amazing. Yeah. It's like, that's what everyone was saying for years. Yeah. For literally 10 years. Yeah. Crazy. Yes.
Delaney Flanagan (53:36):
Okay. I had CrossFit. Yeah.
Alexis Gay (53:39):
That was, I had like that as a backup. Backup, yeah.
Delaney Flanagan (53:41):
Person in a sorority that makes it their entire personality
Alexis Gay (53:46):
still like after college. Yeah. <laugh>
Delaney Flanagan (53:51):
having a Tesla <laugh>. Uh, someone that went to Harvard. Yeah. Someone that thinks Joe Rogan. Oh my God is a God. Um, yeah, those were the main ones.
Alexis Gay (54:05):
Those are good. Those are really good.
Delaney Flanagan (54:07):
This was so fun. Thank you, so much, so much Alexis.
Alexis Gay (54:10):
Thank you for having me.
Delaney Flanagan (54:12):
Of course. And please listen to non-technical. Oh yes. The hit the
Alexis Gay (54:16):
Remember the podcast, the hit podcast non-technical on Spotify, apple Podcast. YouTube. Yep. There you go.
Delaney Flanagan (54:23):
Follow her on Instagram.
Alexis Gay (54:24):
Yes. Yay. Alexis Gay.
Delaney Flanagan (54:26):
I love it. Yeah. Okay. Anything else you wanna shout out?
Alexis Gay (54:29):
Yeah, on my, on my socials, you can find where I'm performing next. I perform standup comedy in places and you could come see it. You could also draw my email list to hear about those places. And otherwise I, uh, hope everyone is having a really nice day. Amazing
Delaney Flanagan (54:43):
<laugh>. Awesome. Thank you so much, Alexis. Thanks Delaney. Go follow debatable Delaney on Apple podcast, Spotify, YouTube, Instagram, and I'll see you guys next week.
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